Of co No sovereign micromanages everything in his realm, but (obviously) delegates authority. ( Log Out /  Long ago I did it; from ancient times I planned it. It does not mention there that God control everything. cheers. God’s Eternal Plan One of our problems with the sovereignty of God is that it frequently does not appear that God is in control of the circumstances of our lives. I think this verses alone show that we are unwilling and incapable in and of ourselves to seek after God, necessitating a move by God towards us to free us from ourselves, allowing us to then turn to Him. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Does God Control Everything? Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf, Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf. Romans 3: 10-18 teaches that we all have turned aside and no one seeks after God and no one can understand. 1.) At one end is the idea that God totally controls every event, every action in the universe, down to the box of Raisin Bran Crunch you had for breakfast. I am sorry if I have been offensive. 3.6 • 5 Ratings; Publisher Description. If you’re going to pick a god, pick a good one! To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair.’, -You started to develop a good argument, but lost it here. NOT to program my mind where I have no control. It is a free gift to us that we have the opportunity to get to heaven, reciceved when we acept Him into our hearts as the Lord our Savior. The God I read in the Bible is love. Your interpretation makes God’s mind into mushy nonsense. I am only pointing to this presentation and argument. He may be saying “yes, those things I shall permit, as they can fit into my overarching plan for the universe” without actually directing each detail in the matters permitted. Whether we one may contend if God actually controls meaningless things, though I would say that Scripture says he does, I think it is beyond any doubt that He does actually determine everything important that happens in our lives, specifically whether or not we will be saved. Just out of Curiosity…… Isn’t the nature of God ‘Justice’ as well? God is in complete control of every molecule in the universe at every moment, and everything that happens is either caused or allowed by Him for His own perfect purposes. We do deserve hell, but God does not want us to go there. But someone can say, “I don’t believe in God, so that proves that God is not in control of everything!” Pretty strong argument isn’t it? Regarding the truth magazine article you sent, I would have to agree that these verses cannot be said to conclusively prove the doctrine of total depravity (or total inability as it is also known), but I wouldn’t necessarily appeal to these verses to teach this doctrine to someone in the first place. Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. Jesus presents a more scientific view of the sun and rain, even if he still uses poetic hyberole, and in doing this he has sanctified our progression to a more scientific view of the same. 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), what each person does in their life (Prov. Unfortunately, we are all born with this bent away from God…and do not posses the ability or the desire to deny ourselves and follow Christ. “The LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, ‘Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall stand’” (Isaiah 14:24). Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. And Calvin himself said, “By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man.” (and this was not meant as simply referring to salvation itself), The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.”, Belgic Confession article 13: “We believe that this good God, after he created all things, did not abandon them to chance or fortune but leads and governs them according to his holy will, in such a way that nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God knows everything that will happen. (See John 8:47; 18:37.). As if God did not establish the condition in which he wills Those elected to salvation are elected to a vocational purpose, and those elected to a vocational purpose are elected to salvation. I am being completely honest, and without a commitment to my persuasion for the sake of pride or anything like that. Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. He certainly does permit lots of things. (John 6:44; John 6:65; John 6:70; Acts 13:48; Eph.1:3-6; Eph. If God is in control of everything that happens in the universe, then He is in control of everything that happens in your life as well. . God does exactly what He wants with every person, so that His plans would be fulfilled. http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume31/GOT031014.html. Inasmuch as it is logically silly and ridiculous to believe that God would create the world as a giant puppet show in which he controls everything (there would be no point) these statements obviously must be viewed as poetic hyperbole. I was in your shoes not too many years ago. If it did, that would mean that God had stopped loving us, which is ridiculous. no one understands; Merely, that he loved all types of people in the world.”. And so we don’t continue to clutter this blog with our back and forth, I created a discussion page on my own blog for this purpose: http://thebereanway.wordpress.com/calvinism-discussion/, “I have come to feel it is not truth, but I only want to talk about these things because I DO want the truth.”. R.C. If he punished Jesus for everyone’s crime, then God’s wrath has been satisfied for everyone, and therefore, it cannot be poured out on anyone. How much does God control the events in history? For the first man fell 14 What shall we say then? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? It’s arrogant, he says, to think you’re in control. According to Scripture, God is the superior or supreme being. But responsible reading of the Scripture prohibits such reductionism.” (D. A. Carson). Although some view a sovereign God as too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are far more discouraging. Sproul. It’s about love. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I only am thinking as I am because it makes the most sense to me. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? Those who go to hell chose to not accept god into their hearts to save them. Our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of us for His salvation — a choice that does not include everyone. God never blesses the wicked and whatever they receive is only to their own destruction. The mind of the flesh cannot submit itself to God (Romans 8:7-8). Past and present are knowable. Nothing you have said is offensive in the least! Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. 2 Cor. ), who lays down his life for them (10:15), who guarantees that all of them will in due course hear his voice (vv. They choose that themselves. It was God ordained that David commit that action, and He either caused Satan to tempt David so that he would do what God wanted (I think it is fair to assume that God directly caused Satan to do this because 2 Sam. The sovereignty of God answers the question, “Who or What is in ultimate control?” Many people feel that life is generally a matter of good luck or bad luck. So damaging to teach it! Does God Control Everything? Bible Doctrine of Election, The by C.D. Jesus died on the cross for everyone. No; the difference is that Calvinism recognizes a dimension of the saving love of God which Arminianism misses, namely God’s sovereignty in bringing to faith and keeping in faith all who are actually saved. I am not controlling the passengers many many choices, only where they will end up when the ride is over. In short, God was in total of everything at the beginning and He will be again at the end. Keller provides a clear, straightforward explanation of how we can have free will and that does not conflict with God… I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. In that same parable, he speaks of the Sovereign’s ability to UNFORGIVE the debt if the forgiven person does not make the proper response to his forgivenness. R.C. Is there injustice on God’s part? predestination of God, and dragged his posterity headlong after him. If the object of his patience are the Christians, what would lead you to believe that the rest of the sentence is talking about everyone in the world? . We were all actively rebelling against God and dead in our sins. (Crucial Questions). no one seeks for God. And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father” (Matthew 10:29). Change ). 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. I know that not all people get saved, but God wants all people to be saved. 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), “. “At no point whatsoever does the remarkable emphasis on the absoluteness of God’s sovereignty mitigate the responsibility of human beings who, like everything else in the universe, fall under God’s sway. Great post! If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell. Its been designed in an exceedingly straightforward way which is only soon after i finished reading this ebook by which actually altered me, change the way i think. No, not at all. Does that mean we are omnisicent because we were created in God’s image? I thank God He said He will never leave me nor forsake me! I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours” (John 17:9). That would be the fair thing. Lastly, God’s permission for Satan or man to act is nevertheless part of God’s ultimate design and final control. He then deals with some of the philosophical and theological questions and objections the doctrine raises. God is more concerned about our holiness than our happiness. Yet the fact remains that Biblically he is a sacrifice and a sacrifice must be accepted somehow. Pingback: My top 10 posts « Wisdom for Life, Nowhere in the Bible do we see that God loves the reprobate, in fact there is quite a lot of evidence of the contrary. So God is totally in control. You said: “…a choice that does not include everyone.”, Both 1 Tim 2:4 and Rm 11:32 say otherwise! “God can and does predetermine and foreknow whatever he wants to about the future. It should draw us to worship our great God. Eph. I recently read an interesting article. No one would have chosen God, had He not first Chosen us. I would be happy to hear your thoughts on these two articles I posted. Having become fully convinced that the Bible does teach God’s sovereignty in all things, I have no problem discussing it! sole decision of God’s will, the cause of which is hidden in him.” If God’s wrath was poured out and satisfied on Christ for a person, then it cannot be poured out again because that would imply that it was not satisfied the first time. many people confuse God’s longsuffering towards the wicked with His blesssing toward them… Sproul, Does God Control Everything? I believe his hand hovers over it, to intervene if he so desires. RE: ‘Although some feel that a sovereign God is too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are discouraging. All these verses teach the absolute opposite of libertarian free-will. For example, God caused David to take a census (which God had previously forbidden), and then punished him for the sin. We see unjust, uncaring or even clearly wicked people doing things that adversely affect us. No loving God would make people with the intent of sending them to hell. In other words, Calvinism holds that divine love does not stop short at graciously inviting, but that the triune God takes gracious action to ensure that the elect respond. Or else, He could make the world in such a way that everyone would follow Him. I hope that some of this is helpful. Publisher: Ligonier Ministries Author: R.C. 9:11-24, Eph. I think that there are more compelling verses that show that we are incapable/unwilling to choose God, and incapable/unwilling to choose good. (Romans 14:23). The punishment you supposedly deserve isn’t even crucifixion to begin with but hell, and therefore his crucifixion as an execution swap wouldn’t even work! I denied the doctrine of election. Absolutely everything! Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Both used that free will to sin and fall from right standing with God. Publisher: Reformation Trust Publishing Author: R. C. Sproul Description. We cannot do this without your support. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. According to Scripture, God “does according to his will in the host of heaven, and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off his hand or say to him, What have you done?”  (Daniel 4:35). “, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. 14, 16, 27; cf. What a hypocrite. hidden from us. As the Westminster Confession states: “God the great Creator of all things upholds, directs, disposes, and governs all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by his most wise and holy providence, according to his infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of his own will, to the praise of the glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.”. By no means! God may have made the sun stand still to allow his people to smite more of the heathen according to the author of Joshua — but to Jesus he causes the sun to shine on the good and the bad equally. Your ongoing, tax-deductible monthly gifts allow Wretched TV and Radio to reach millions of people around the globe. If you believe that God is not sovereign in everything, even over the human will, then you definitely must read it. The author is refuting a different author than Greg Boyd, but the ideas presented are the same: Faith isn’t what we add to the process of our salvation but, rather, is something that God has given as a gift to us. Jesus concludes that God’s forgiveness of us works the same way! Many people today believe that, even if there is a God, He is not actively involved in this world. “And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father”(John 6:65). “The Lord works out everything for His own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster” (Proverbs 16:33; Ephesians 1:11). Please share these resources with your church, family, and friends. How should we understand … So yes, some people are made to destruction only Now, of course, several passages have humans confessing to God “Lord, you know everything” — but this is human confession to God not God speaking of himself, firstly. Secondly, such are figures of speech. I might be very impressed with your smartness, and say, “wow, B knows everything!” yet I don’t mean it literally. That would take away free will!! You say that our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of our salvation. Title: Does God Control Everything? But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. 16, 27) and follow him (v. 27), and be kept from perishing forever (v. 28). As Jesus said in His high priestly prayer: “I am praying for them. We experience the consequences of other people’s mistakes and failures. “I say to you,” Jesus declared, “that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for in the day of judgment” (Matthew 12:36). In Does God Control Everything?, R. C. Sproul explores and explains the Christian doctrine of providence—the teaching that God is the sovereign ruler of the universe. God is in control of everything! When, therefore, they perish in their corruption, they Since God owns everything, it is not sinful for him to take a life or destroy something. “If God ceased to exist, the universe would perish with Him, because God not only has created everything, He sustains everything. himself through himself, by God’s mere permission and without any On the one hand, it was the usual fare we have come to expect in some circles. Faith, we know from numerous texts is how we are saved, but as Eph. No, he predicted (just as we predict) based on known information. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. God said, “Have you not heard? This is a fairly short, but powerful discussion about this topic by Jonathan Edwards called “Is God Less Glorious because He Ordains that Evil Be?”: http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/is-god-less-glorious-because-he-ordained-that-evil-be, In response to the Greg Boyd article, this is a discussion about how Paul was absolutely discussing both corporate and individual election, including eternal salvation; one cannot separate election to a “vocational” position (being a light to the world) and the salvation that would also have to be present. Format: Add to Cart. Thank you for your trust. Further, look at the stories in the OT where God is surprised, or where God clearly doesn’t or didn’t know something about the future. Calvinists view God’s sovereignty as being ‘controlling’ instead of being in control. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: -JI Packer, Arminianisms Hence the reason why Jesus says “Unless you EAT my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.” This idiotic notion that everyone Jesus died for is instantly saved just because he died for them is not Biblical because Biblically he is a sacrifice not an execution swap. Indeed, God is so confident in his sovereignty that he does not need to micromanage everything. and some people are made for salvation by grace. God may withold the rain from the wicked nation according to the author of Kings or Chronicles — but to Jesus he sends his rain on the just and the unjust. Others reason, “If God has control over everything that happens — is he not a cosmic puppeteer pulling our strings when he wants us to dance?” This is not the way the Bible describes God. I want everyone to seek after the truth because that is the most important thing! Addresses the Possible Imbalance in our Understanding of God Between Holy and Familiar. And if I may use one more long quote (though I would hope you would make time to read through the entire article): Biblically, the difference between these two conceptions of how God in love relates to fallen human beings may be pinpointed thus. What then? Election never sent anyone to hell, but it did bring a great multitude to heaven who otherwise would never have been there. “all men”, You are confusing two aspects of God’s will. God choose who He would save in eternity past, before anyone was born. Don’t be concerned that I have been offended! It is nice when there can be discussions of things like this without the unfortunate tendency by many to resort to name-calling and pronouncements of damnation! Jesus even teaches in John 6:44, 65 that we cannot even come unto Him unless He enables us. #4 Neuropteron, Oct 12, 2020 The Calvinist will have to tell us this is all “accommodative language, fitted to our imbecility” — perhaps its the other way around, when God is said to know everything, isn’t that the “accommodative language”? On this view, both the Christ who saves and the faith which receives him as Savior are God’s gifts, and the latter is as much a foreordained reality as is the former. When this happens that person will no longer be an Arminian. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” So this salvation by grace through faith isn’t something that we conjure ourselves. God said, “Have you not heard? It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways. A decision indeed is a powerful thing. If even one rouge atom is loose to do whatever it pleases, then God is not ultimately in control of the universe. My story is similar to John Piper’s: http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-piper-free-will.html I hope you took the time to watch the 3 videos I posted. Today, by God’s grace, I see the doctrine of election as one of the most humbling doctrines in all of Scripture. Since God is in ‘control’ over everything…then I guess He wouldn’t mind me stepping out and killing someone tomorrow. I think this was a wonderful handling of this! his dominion is an everlasting dominion, Take care. According to Calvin (and I would say Scripture), everything that happens occurs because God has specifically ordained it to occur, either causing it to happen directly or allowing it to happen (as in the case of sin) for the purposes of His ultimate glorification. or say to him, “What have you done? “It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways.”. Enter your email address to follow this blog. I think that God actually does ordain that sin occur through the use of secondary causes. So the basic difference between the two positions is not, as is sometimes thought, that Arminianism follows Scripture while Calvinism follows logic, nor that Arminianism knows the love of God while Calvinism knows only his power, nor that Arminianism affirms a connection between believing and obeying as a means and eternal life as an end which Calvinism denies, nor that Arminianism discerns a bona fide “free offer” of Christ in the gospel which Calvinism does not discern, nor that Arminianism acknowledges human responsibility before God and requires holy endeavor in the Christian life while Calvinism does not. The doctrine of sovereignty is that God is in control of everything. “He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Unconditional election is a fact from Scripture. condemnation? He may not particularly control every aspect of your life, except as you, but he does control … Is God Really in Control of Everything? acceptance is not the same as causing. The wise teacher wrote, “The conclusion, when all has been heard, is fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. because the Lord had judged it to be expedient; why he so judged is Loving only His children 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. That is, he was not PUNISHED for your sins — he was SACRIFICED for your sins. God only steps in what we plead for His intervention. saying things like “your God is not in control” or “then God doesnt get what God wants” There are plenty of things that have happened on earth that were not God’s desire. Segment 2 (9:50) – God allows sinful things to happen but never causes them. We have freedom to choose within the constraints of who we are and the circumstances we find ourselves in. calvinists and non calvinists often operate with different definitions of the same words. They’ll say, “well it’s clear to me it’s not God’s will for everyone to be … I do know of the scriptures you referenced..but I also know where God said ‘I wished that none would perish” and ” whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved!” and ” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.’ Seems to me that’s a decision! 6:37-40; 17:6, 11f. Paul wrote that believers in Christ have been “predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11). There’s your accomodation. “God would be unjust if he punished for the same crime twice. The New Testament writers assure us that our Father does indeed have everything under control in our lives. As it is written, Jacob I loved, Esau I hated”. Jas….finally someone on this blog has said something that makes since and not a bunch of blah blah blah. We all deserve hell. Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). 2:8-10 says, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. Summary. Again, this is biblically unsound argumentation. This means that there was nothing in us that moved God to choose us. ‘the alternatives are discouraging’ yes, lets all belive in something cos otherwise we’ll just ‘despair’. “Que Sera, Sera” — “whatever will be, will be?”  But are we victims of fate? And that Election doctrine is awful!!! The situation with His elect is different, He loves them unconditionnally because of His grace and even though He sometimes punishes them they are always loved by Him, they are His children. 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